From:	Fuzzy -(CHRISGLENN)	TO:	ALL

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 4:24:00
Message: Body:	Our Illustrious Mark said in relation to manual tune (thread 17580.36, call GI for help): ... but if you ever lose all the satellites from your maps, which I've seen happen here before, then you will be glad the feature exists. This is most interesting! A couple of months ago, my 922 lost everything, all sats (options 6-4-4 was a blank page), no VC lock, even though it was on G0 9 WITH LOCK, prior to loss of everything. [Lost everything when unplugged>plugged.] Mark, given this, I could have gone into manual tune to force a VC lock? All I needed to do was to tune to the freq. for Tr. 9 (3880), instead of sending it in for repair (found nothing wrong).

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2002-4-3 4:24:00

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Our Illustrious Mark said in relation to manual tune (thread 17580.36, call GI for help):

... but if you ever lose all the satellites from your maps, which I've seen happen here before, then you will be glad the feature exists.

This is most interesting! A couple of months ago, my 922 lost everything, all sats (options 6-4-4 was a blank page), no VC lock, even though it was on G0 9 WITH LOCK, prior to loss of everything. [Lost everything when unplugged>plugged.]

Mark, given this, I could have gone into manual tune to force a VC lock? All I needed to do was to tune to the freq. for Tr. 9 (3880), instead of sending it in for repair (found nothing wrong).

From:	Mark -(4DTV)	TO:	Fuzzy

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 4:46:00
Message: Body:	Yes, with a couple minor corrections. You typed VC lock, but probably meant DC lock. Also, you enter the IF, not the RF in the frequency box. If the dish is aimed at G0, you can go into Manual Tune, select the proper IF frequency (1270.000 for G0-9), select the proper band (C-band), select the polarity (Vertical), and hit Tune. Well, that's the idea anyway, but I just tested in on my 920 by going to G0-17, then selecting the above parameters, and it did not lock after 5 minutes of waiting. Not sure if it takes longer to lock, since we did not specify the other digital parameters (unable to specify SR & FEC on a 920 and 922 currently), but I have to run now. Give it a try to see if you get a lock.

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2002-4-3 4:46:00

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Yes, with a couple minor corrections. You typed VC lock, but probably meant DC lock. Also, you enter the IF, not the RF in the frequency box.

If the dish is aimed at G0, you can go into Manual Tune, select the proper IF frequency (1270.000 for G0-9), select the proper band (C-band), select the polarity (Vertical), and hit Tune.

Well, that's the idea anyway, but I just tested in on my 920 by going to G0-17, then selecting the above parameters, and it did not lock after 5 minutes of waiting. Not sure if it takes longer to lock, since we did not specify the other digital parameters (unable to specify SR & FEC on a 920 and 922 currently), but I have to run now. Give it a try to see if you get a lock.

From:	Mark -(4DTV)	TO:	Fuzzy

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 5:45:00
Message: Body:	After typing the last message and shutting down the computer, I tried switching polarities to H then back to V and then got a lock, so the problem earlier may have been my system. So, the method described above should get you a DC lock. If it doesn't, try switching polarities as I had to do.

From:	Fuzzy -(CHRISGLENN)	TO:	Mark

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 7:30:00
Message: Body:	Doesn't work for me. I started on Tr. 3 (to get a non-digicipher tr.), entered 1270, pressed tune, no lock. While still saying tuning, I changed polarity from V to H, then back to V, and still no lock. Mark, could you be more specific as to your procedure? Did you exit manual tune when set to H, then re-enter manual tune and selected V, or was it all within the one tune procedure? How long to get a lock?

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2002-4-3 7:30:00

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Doesn't work for me. I started on Tr. 3 (to get a non-digicipher tr.), entered 1270, pressed tune, no lock. While still saying tuning, I changed polarity from V to H, then back to V, and still no lock.

Mark, could you be more specific as to your procedure? Did you exit manual tune when set to H, then re-enter manual tune and selected V, or was it all within the one tune procedure? How long to get a lock?

From:	Mark -(4DTV)	TO:	Fuzzy

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 7:40:00
Message: Body:	You have to enter 1270000 (the receiver inserts the decimal to display 1270.000). Other than that, all I did relating to polarity was check the H box, and it switched immediately, then checked the V box to switch back. I did this while the display still said Tuning, and it locked within seconds. This was after it displayed Tuning for about 5-10 minutes, but I don't believe that is relevant. I will try again tonight.

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2002-4-3 7:40:00

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You have to enter 1270000 (the receiver inserts the decimal to display 1270.000). Other than that, all I did relating to polarity was check the H box, and it switched immediately, then checked the V box to switch back. I did this while the display still said Tuning, and it locked within seconds. This was after it displayed Tuning for about 5-10 minutes, but I don't believe that is relevant. I will try again tonight.

From:	TRAUSCHER1 -(TRAUSCHER1)	TO:	Fuzzy

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 8:17:00
Message: Body:	What your receiver did was loose its' little mind. If you push the "sat" button and there are no satellites to choose, and if you push option 6-5 and system status shows channel count at 575...the memory was reset. Just start over-- program G0 under the set limit menu-- go to ch 7 or 9 --verify quality--then go to status and watch the channel count increment up. After about 5 to 7 minutes it should be finished mapping and U are ready to reprogram all the sats and set your limits... If you want to use manual tune, first pick an odd numbered channel--go to manual tune menu and enter either 1270000 or 1310000 for the frequency then push tune--in a couple of minutes you should get a quality number in the lower right of the menu and the channel count should begin incrementing--- if not, push tune again.

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2002-4-3 8:17:00

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What your receiver did was loose its' little mind. If you push the "sat" button and there are no satellites to choose, and if you push option 6-5 and system status shows channel count at 575...the memory was reset. Just start over-- program G0 under the set limit menu-- go to ch 7 or 9 --verify quality--then go to status and watch the channel count increment up. After about 5 to 7 minutes it should be finished mapping and U are ready to reprogram all the sats and set your limits... If you want to use manual tune, first pick an odd numbered channel--go to manual tune menu and enter either 1270000 or 1310000 for the frequency then push tune--in a couple of minutes you should get a quality number in the lower right of the menu and the channel count should begin incrementing--- if not, push tune again.

From:	Fuzzy -(CHRISGLENN)	TO:	Mark

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 8:34:00
Message: Body:	Yes I entered the extra zeros. Assuming you started off on a non DC transponder, we have different results.

From:	Mark -(4DTV)	TO:	ALL

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 5:33:00
Message: Body:	Has anyone else tried this? I'd like to hear the experiences of some others to see if we can help Fuzzy.

From:	Darryl -(DRLEV)	TO:	Mark

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 9:04:00
Message: Body:	I just tried it on my 922 I could not get a digital lock unless the channel I was sitting on was defined as DCII. I was using 1270.000 V as the freq on all of the channels I tried. The 920 did not care what waveform the channel was defined as.

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2002-4-3 9:04:00

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I just tried it on my 922 I could not get a digital lock unless the channel I was sitting on was defined as DCII. I was using 1270.000 V as the freq on all of the channels I tried.

The 920 did not care what waveform the channel was defined as.

From:	Mark -(4DTV)	TO:	Darryl

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 8:37:00
Message: Body:	Hmmm, that's odd. Seems to defeat the purpose of Manual Tune (their version of it). What ever happened to autotune, or whatever we were calling it, where you could tune to any channel and let it sit long enough and it would acquire any type of signal? Can you program an analog generic with the correct frequency at G0 to see if it will acquire a DC lock?

From:	Darryl -(DRLEV)	TO:	Mark

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 8:39:00
Message: Body:	The 922 did autosearch when it did not aquire a lock. It did not help. Still no lock.

From:	Fuzzy -(CHRISGLENN)	TO:	Mark

Date Posted:	2002-4-3 4:00:00
Message: Body:	I'm not sure if this helps or just confuses the issue, but I did notice a pattern in the "autosearching." After entering the information and pressing tune, I saw the signal strength number cycle through the same values, with the same pauses. It would go 64, pause, 66, double (length) pause, 10, tripple or quad. length pause, then cycle back to 64. Almost like it was searching within a very narrow selection? [This is an information only issue, as Tom at ATS was able to get it working.]

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2002-4-3 4:00:00

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I'm not sure if this helps or just confuses the issue, but I did notice a pattern in the "autosearching." After entering the information and pressing tune, I saw the signal strength number cycle through the same values, with the same pauses. It would go 64, pause, 66, double (length) pause, 10, tripple or quad. length pause, then cycle back to 64. Almost like it was searching within a very narrow selection?

[This is an information only issue, as Tom at ATS was able to get it working.]